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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:30 am

Alright if you do get it weighed please include what bumpers you have and an estimate on the weight.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby egagnon086 » Fri May 20, 2016 1:52 pm

So I installed Moog CC784 coil springs on my modified 98 Amigo, I had it weighed at the local truck stop and found my truck to be about 4000#. The front bumper is ~150# and the rear 80#. I also have heavy step/guards welded on and bigger tires and such.

So I replaced my old trooper springs and 2" spacers, which were giving me right under 4" of lift. The new springs got me just over 4" of lift with just the pigtail cut off. So, it's a good swap, and maintains the OEM spring rate. If I need any more lift I got the spacers left over.

Thanks for your info, I don't think I would of thought of this without it.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Fri May 20, 2016 2:37 pm

Any chance you got the weight on each axle?
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Lift Coil Spring Options
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby egagnon086 » Fri May 20, 2016 3:09 pm

I think its on the read out, I'll have to go dig it out of the garage.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby Hack » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:18 am

One think I am unsure about is cutting off the pigtail. I believe that our stock springs are squared off; they will stand up on their own. If one just cuts off the pigtail (say on a Moog 812), don't you end up with a tangential spring that will fall over if you try to stand it up? Maybe it doesn't matter?
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby egagnon086 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:23 am

My stock (trooper) spring wasn't tangential, it will not stand on its own. It just kind "wedges" itself on the bottom axle perch and the "isolator/spacer" sits on top to square it off with the frame.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:25 am

Tangential springs are cut off then have the lower portion of the last coil cut to give a square edge. Just cutting off the pigtail will not give you a tangential spring. In all honesty it doesn't matter if the spring will stand up on its own or not. When installed the weight of the vehicle keep it secured on the spring pads.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby Hack » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:30 am

Cool. Thanks.
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RIP: 1998 4WD Rodeo, Auto, 3.2L -- Ruined by Daughter #1 with Russian assistance. Parted out. Sent to crusher.
RIP: 1989 Troop 2.6L 5spd --- Stripped of all good parts. Body and rotted frame sent to the crusher.
RIP: 1999 2WD Amigo, Auto, 3.2L -- Engine blown and body damaged by Daughter #2. Parted out. Sent to crusher.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby hanes12345 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:20 pm

Does anyone know if there are coil springs that would raise the rear end of a trooper 2" - 2.5" while maintaining a spring rate close to stock. I have a 2000 Trooper and looking at the list, the moog 784 would soften the ride which seems to be something I wouldn't want, and the other two would either raise it too much or stiffen it far too much (as I don't do any towing and on rare occasion do light off-roading). I'm also pretty sure my trooper has the original springs at 193,000 miles so they've probably compressed some bit with wear.

As I understand reading from Independent4x the OME 2919 would offer what I'm looking for, but are there alternatives?
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby totten » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:33 pm

I have 2" spring spacers for sale in Classified. Would give you 2" of lift and have same spring stiffness. :idea:
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby hanes12345 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:42 pm

Thanks! I'm looking for springs at the moment, but if I don't find any and you still have the spacers I'll buy them.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:30 pm

The OME springs have a pretty high rate. The initial rate is close to stock but there's a large jump to the second rate. Going from a 180 spring to a 200 spring isn't as bad as you think. The rear will sway less and feel tighter overall.
1996 Isuzu Trooper Base model
Front t-bar crank, Rear lifted with 1st gen Grand Cherokee Coils, Cooper Discovery AT3 265/75R16
1991 Trooper Base Model
HD Sway-a-Way torsion bars, Sweet Camo Paint(adds 50 hp), Snowflakes w/ Firestone Destination LE2 265/75r16
Lift Coil Spring Options
Add-a-Leaf kits and Part Numbers
Longer Shocks for your Lifted Isuzu

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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby hanes12345 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:47 pm

So are you saying the OME 2919 would work out well as it's 200/280, or the BDS 034409 as those are 200lbs ( my only concern is that at 2.9" it'll be quite high). Thanks, I appreciate the help!
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:53 pm

The BDS would have to be trimmed to get your desired ride height. Takes 5-10 minutes with a cut off wheel.
1996 Isuzu Trooper Base model
Front t-bar crank, Rear lifted with 1st gen Grand Cherokee Coils, Cooper Discovery AT3 265/75R16
1991 Trooper Base Model
HD Sway-a-Way torsion bars, Sweet Camo Paint(adds 50 hp), Snowflakes w/ Firestone Destination LE2 265/75r16
Lift Coil Spring Options
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Longer Shocks for your Lifted Isuzu

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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby Hack » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:39 am

I love the Moog Cc812s in my 2nd gen Trooper. Thanks Nasty. Here is my writeup viewtopic.php?f=1&t=87959.
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RIP: 1988 Troop 2.6L 5spd. Burnt valve(s). Damaged frame. Parted out. Sent to crusher.
RIP: 1998 4WD Rodeo, Auto, 3.2L -- Ruined by Daughter #1 with Russian assistance. Parted out. Sent to crusher.
RIP: 1989 Troop 2.6L 5spd --- Stripped of all good parts. Body and rotted frame sent to the crusher.
RIP: 1999 2WD Amigo, Auto, 3.2L -- Engine blown and body damaged by Daughter #2. Parted out. Sent to crusher.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby ronclone » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:06 pm

guys I'm really confused about what can I do to lift my 93 trooper. I was thinking about jus putting a 1-1/2" spacer in there and call it quits, but then in noticed the rear right of my truck sits lower than the left so I'm pretty sure I need to replace the coils. then reading the forums I realized my actual suspension feels too soft, and that I can use front jeeps coils and get a little lift and stiffen the suspension a bit...

I'm from Venezuela and can not buy OME, MOOGs etc, i can only find stock jeep coils, but i have some questions since don't want to buy the wrong ones: 1) difference between Grand Cherokee and vanilla Cherokee... 2) years we are talking about, i can mostly find new mid 00s and up GC v8 coils, only 98 and down? 3) does Cherokee XJs work for what i want? what about commanders?

I have no problem cutting to get to the desired lift...

I will really appreciate the help guys... on a tight tight budget over here...
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:15 am

You need front springs from a 98 and down GC. The spring rate is actually a little softer then stock. The Cherokee 6 cylinder uses the same coils as a GC. Commander springs will not work.
1996 Isuzu Trooper Base model
Front t-bar crank, Rear lifted with 1st gen Grand Cherokee Coils, Cooper Discovery AT3 265/75R16
1991 Trooper Base Model
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Lift Coil Spring Options
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby ronclone » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:36 am

Ok, thanks... I thought Jeep coils would be stiffer... going for a Cherokee XJ set... hopefully they can give me a 1-1/2" lift or so...
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:42 am

The amount of lift is on the first page. Those springs have a softer rate but are 2-2.5" longer.
1996 Isuzu Trooper Base model
Front t-bar crank, Rear lifted with 1st gen Grand Cherokee Coils, Cooper Discovery AT3 265/75R16
1991 Trooper Base Model
HD Sway-a-Way torsion bars, Sweet Camo Paint(adds 50 hp), Snowflakes w/ Firestone Destination LE2 265/75r16
Lift Coil Spring Options
Add-a-Leaf kits and Part Numbers
Longer Shocks for your Lifted Isuzu
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby ronclone » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:34 am

I ended up buying used Cherokee XJs OEM coils, they were almost the same size as the ones I had, even with the pigtail loop still attached. don't know if my truck's previous owner replaced the originals before, but they were shot anyway so the new ones got me approximately an inch lift, and they certainly feel better than the wobbly mess I had before... I'm happy with them...

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Btw, don't know if I should ask here or start a new topic but I noticed one of my rear bumpstop was shot... I don't think I will be able to find one soon over here, what do you guys recommend?
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby nasty610 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:02 am

Was the Cherokee a 4 cylinder? It used different springs the the 6 cylinder which are the same as the GC v8 springs. Not really sure what to tell you for the bump stop. Prothand and Energy suspension both male replacements or you could PM Jlemond on here and see if has one.
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Front t-bar crank, Rear lifted with 1st gen Grand Cherokee Coils, Cooper Discovery AT3 265/75R16
1991 Trooper Base Model
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Lift Coil Spring Options
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby ronclone » Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:22 pm

I believe they were from a v6 Cherokee, but I will call the guy who sold them to me to make sure they were not aftermarket ones and will update this post if anyone is interested...
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby tom clark2 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:31 am

This can never be too close to the top. I'm installing the lift in my 99 trooper this week!

Moog 812 springs and a torsion bar crank. I already have a slight torsion bar lift on the truck now with 285/75/16s. a little extra lift and some KYB MonoMax shocks will be a welcome improvement to the suspension.
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby H22hybridcivic » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:11 am

I just used some Iron Rock 6” lift Jeep WJ, like 99-04 Grand Cherokee springs on my 98 trooper, using longer shocks. They are 19” unloaded, just took some OME 191 off, they were 16-3/4 unloaded, spring rates are very similar. The iron rocks are supposed to be 200#/“, I called their tech line. Rides good,
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Re: Lift Springs for 92-02 Troopers and 98-04 Rodeos

Postby HONDEO » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:48 pm

Sticky this thread already!

I can confirmed the Moog CC247 Fits in the 2nd gen passport/rodeos just fine. No cutting or anything, 2" taller than stock and still a comfortable ride.

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