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rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby caccia » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:25 pm

i've buy a couple manual hubs rugged ridge like looks aisin... in to the package i do no have instruction.

I do not know what I have to tighten the bolts nm, can I use the nm of AISIN? someone knows them?

another question ... I have no seal from the hub and hub carrier original AISIN exist? where I made the arrows

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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby CatFuzz » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:10 pm

You should be able to use the same torque spec as the Aisin hubs. As for sealing the hubs, some RTV silicone sealer will work just as well as a gasket would.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby caccia » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:35 am

I used AISIN torque and damaged a hub ... are equal to see, but unfortunately not the same quality :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby CatFuzz » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:57 pm

Were the surfaces clean? If there was a bit of gasket stuck on it could be enough to crack the housing when torqued.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby Ruination » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:25 am

caccia wrote:I used AISIN torque and damaged a hub ... are equal to see, but unfortunately not the same quality :cry: :cry: :cry:


The rugged ridge aisin knock offs are pretty terrible. I got a "tester" set here... chinese junk!

I destroyed both of them with "light" wheeling. I was actually just backing up when the one let go completly. Although I am locked in the front that should not have happened.

I'm curious to know the type of material used to make those and if they are like the chinese made ones I got.

RR hubs are going in the trash next chance I get to put a set of Aisins back on.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby rumblefish » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:04 pm

Is installation of the AISIN hubs the same as installing Superwinch hubs?
Still looking for a PDF or instructions, but loosing patience with myself.
BTW, I used Gasket-cinch on my Superwinch hubs & no problems at all.
Plowed through muddy water, mud, rain, etc.. & when I took the one apart because I smacked it on a rock, it was still nice & clean & dry inside, except for the necessary lubrication.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby Gizmo42 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:59 am

rumblefish wrote:Is installation of the AISIN hubs the same as installing Superwinch hubs


Pretty much the same. Make sure the hub is in the Free (2wd) position before taking the dial cover off. Bolt the hub body on with the large allen bolts, install the snap ring on the end of the cv shaft, torque large allen bolts to 44 ft lbs, slide dial cover on (should only go in one way, rotate until the groves match up), put in the small dial cover bolts and snug them. Whether you use rtv, paper gasket, or something else to seal them is your choice.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby rumblefish » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:43 am

Thanks much Gizmo42.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby caccia » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:26 am

comparison SUPERWINCH have less current game but the material is weaker. :?

the superwinch body hub is iron, in the rugged ridge is i think alloy... :shock: :shock:

rugged ridge write for the body hubs 45lbs in nm is only 5nm... :roll: :roll: and the cover is 3/4nm...

I am very confused, whether to keep or change to SUPERWINCH rugged ridge ...

what you think?
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby rumblefish » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:21 am

I recently posted a very similar question & received much appreciated advise. Look up my recent postings. The only reason I ever swapped out my OEM hubs was due to the angle put on the CV joints & boots by cranking up the torsion bars, otherwise I would have left things stock. I knew that any gas mileage improvement would be negligible. I was just trying to save my CV boots. That being said, once I smacked a rock & cracked the driver's side Superwinch hub, I temporarily reinstalled the OEM hub on that side. The passenger side still has the locking hub installed. It did not take long before my new CV axle's boot on the driver's side, was torn open as predicted in many write ups, forums & by hub vendors.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby Ruination » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:39 am

caccia wrote:
rugged ridge write for the body hubs 45lbs in nm is only 5nm... :roll: :roll: and the cover is 3/4nm...

I am very confused, whether to keep or change to SUPERWINCH rugged ridge ...

what you think?


I would not depend on them...

This is how mine ended up. This was the lightest my truck had ever been wheeled (usually I beat the crap out of it), but it did have a locker and was in some heavy torque situations. I even have a video of the truck making it to the top of daniel right before the left side grenaded.

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(notice the housing cracked/broken in two places, and the cog in the center has stripped out the inside of the housing)

This was the last climb I did before the hub broke. as you can see I was just letting the truck idle and using the gas pedal to keep it from stalling as I drove up in 4 low and 4.77s. (yes this is alot steeper than it looks).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_M0QfvCGEA

The hub blew at the top when I put it in reverse to turn in between two trees.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby Ruination » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:44 am

The way it broke at the top, I was surprised how it did not break here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdi39OVpvqY

or here:

http://youtu.be/a_tVKME_jok?t=48s

lol.... in face I don't know how the RR hubs don't blow up as soon as you put them in 4wd!!
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby caccia » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:31 pm

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orrible photo...


my superwich hubs have 7years old nothing problem... i'm very confused :roll:
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby caccia » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:57 pm

Gizmo42 wrote:
rumblefish wrote:Is installation of the AISIN hubs the same as installing Superwinch hubs


Pretty much the same. Make sure the hub is in the Free (2wd) position before taking the dial cover off. Bolt the hub body on with the large allen bolts, install the snap ring on the end of the cv shaft, torque large allen bolts to 44 ft lbs, slide dial cover on (should only go in one way, rotate until the groves match up), put in the small dial cover bolts and snug them. Whether you use rtv, paper gasket, or something else to seal them is your choice.


http://www.thetoolhut.com/Torque-Conver ... etric.html

44 ft lbs is to high... i try to to 45nm (33ft lbs) and i damage the body hub material of the hub body of crushes and deforms
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby Ruination » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:36 pm

caccia wrote:Image

orrible photo...


my superwich hubs have 7years old nothing problem... i'm very confused :roll:


What is so "orrible" about the picture? Let me translate what you see in the picture a little better.

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Again, I stress the point that this is what I consider light wheeling, although with the locker, there is a lot of torque on those parts.

I didn't believe these were that crappy until a friend told me he grenaded his test set on his mitsubishi on gravel before he even got to the technical stuff. He runs 35s although irrelavent.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby caccia » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:49 pm

I'm sorry for the horrible picture meant to give the hub .. :oops: not the photo of poor quality

do not really know what to do ... rugged ridge weight is Greater. SUPERWINCH very light!! io have 265/75-16 not arb or other..
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby rumblefish » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:41 pm

I just got my Aisin hubs in the mail & they are definitely heavier than my Superwinch hubs. Have not installed them yet.
Someone explain me this please.
When I smacked the boulder & cracked my driver's side locking hub, I could still climb up crazy steep & loose inclines, but if I tried to reverse up the same incline, my rear tire(s) would break traction & spin. The fronts were not engaging in reverse. This is with the cracked hub still in place & I could still turn the dial.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby Gizmo42 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:31 am

caccia wrote:44 ft lbs is to high... i try to to 45nm (33ft lbs) and i damage the body hub material of the hub body of crushes and deforms


They must be really weak then. I've used 44 ft lbs (what Isuzu says to use on those bolts) for the stock flanges, Superwinch hubs, and Aisin hubs with no problems.

When I smacked the boulder & cracked my driver's side locking hub, I could still climb up crazy steep & loose inclines, but if I tried to reverse up the same incline, my rear tire(s) would break traction & spin. The fronts were not engaging in reverse. This is with the cracked hub still in place & I could still turn the dial.


Probably just the way the broken parts lined up. Would lock up forward but slip in reverse.

Thankfully when I damaged mine on a rock this is all that happened to it...

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Ran then for a few more years that way with the chamber that was punctured filled with rtv. Sold them this year to one of the VX guys for 1/2 what I paid new. He wanted another set for spare parts. Most SW hubs I've seen broken by torque are from vehicles with front lockers, which his has.
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Re: rugged ridge manual hubs like aisin

Postby caccia » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:18 pm

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caccia wrote:44 ft lbs is to high... i try to to 45nm (33ft lbs) and i damage the body hub material of the hub body of crushes and deforms


They must be really weak then. I've used 44 ft lbs (what Isuzu says to use on those bolts) for the stock flanges, Superwinch hubs, and Aisin hubs with no problems.

is not steel or iron, i think is alloy or similar.. but the total weight is greater than the SUPERWINCH
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