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Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:55 pm

A few years ago my brother-in-law bought a CJ7 to tinker with. The plan was to have a fun, cute toy to play with on his rare days off and drive his wife and girls up to Sonic.
So far it IS cute.. not any fun yet.
The air breather on the one barrel carb is a cobbled together POS, various studs double nutted...
He was piddling with the carb, took the breather off, and a nut on the bottom of the base plate fell off and into the carb. He's had the carb off, then the intake, trying to find the thing. He couldn't find it... thought it had fallen out of the intake while he was pulling it. He said he took a chance, put it back together and started it up. Heard something going TINK! TINK! TINK! and shut it off.
We were all meeting at my mother-in-law's for Christmas 2.0 this past weekend so I told him I could bring the poor thing home with me and see if I could do anything with it.

Here's a before pic he sent me right after he bought it.
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And now.
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And now my shop is full
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:27 pm

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I think this used to be a nut. I found it in cylinder #6.

#6 is beat to crap but no holes. Filthy too.
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The front cylinders are pretty clean, gets nasty going back. Also saw some "rust rings" on the cylinder walls where it looks like the engine wasn't run for a long time. Worse toward the back of the engine.
Normal for an inline engine or did it spend time half submerged?

#3 for comparison.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:41 pm

I was going to do a wet compression check. That turned into trying to get the SOB to keep running long enough to get warm. Don was complaining about it not wanting to run, he wasn't kidding.

I went through the vacuum lines. Some emissions stuff had been removed by a shop in Frisco, they did a pisspoor job with the hoses... Still no joy though. That carb is a true POS. Stock Carter 2 bbl.

So now debating rebuilding the POS or doing a carb swap. Don said he doesn't carb what's on it, as long as the silly thing will run right. Told me to do whatever I wanted with it... But cost is a factor..

I still have a few Autolite 2100s laying around. I can rebuild one, get an adapter...
A friend of mine has a Rochester Monojet he built for his 76 Pacer. He's selling the Pacer and the buyer wants it stock, so he said I could have it and some cash if I build a computer for him.
He messaged me a while back asking for advice on motherboard/CPU combos. It's been ages since I built computers.

So now I'll compare CFM ratings for them, adapter availability.. whatever..
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby 93trooperpooper » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:17 pm

my mom had a jeep Cherokee with the same inline 6, it finally developed a warped cyl head. the machine shop said that was normal on those inline 6 engines. had to deck the head 15 thou to get it flat. block was fine.

if its just the piston that is dinged up, and no bent valves, I would run it. put some diesel in the cylinders, clear out that rust. those engines are very stout.
my dad had a custom intake / exhaust on an older jeep, had a 4 bbl Holley on top...I was told about it, never seen it...
the top end power may not be the greatest, but they sure have the torque to pull stumps!
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:46 pm

93trooperpooper wrote:if its just the piston that is dinged up, and no bent valves, I would run it. put some diesel in the cylinders, clear out that rust. those engines are very stout.


That's the plan. His wife was never on board with the Jeep, but it's been down a while and sucking up his time with no rewards. So he needs to give the fam some fun Jeep time ASAP to justify it's continued presence.
Right now he's getting a little break just because it's not in their garage taking his time up.

Oh... when he passed the Jeep off to me at Christmas 2.0, we were all saying goodbyes and I gave his wife a hug and said (just loud enough he could hear me..) "Did you bring the title?" Don's eyes got big as dinner plates. "WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!" We all had a laugh, except him. He didn't laugh. At all.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:24 pm

I put the monojet on it with an adapter, charged the battery and dribbled some gas down the carb.. she fired right up and almost purred. Almost. A rough purr.
Let it warm up and did a compression check.
1 - 5 were all 130-140
6 was 40.
I sent Don the results and he called right away. So is that good or bad? Well, depends on whether or not you were looking for an excuse to rebuild it.

I told him I would pull the head and see if the gasket was bad or head warped (although I've only seen them warp in the middle) And told him that IF the gasket was bad and I replaced it, that might fix the compression problem but it won't do anything for all the oil it's burning.
So... we're gonna rebuild it.
Well... I'm gonna rebuild it. he's gonna pay for it.

That Monojet... Nice, simple little carb. I like it.
It's taller than the Carter. With the adapter under it, it's TALLER. Barely clears the hood without the air cleaner on. I told Don we'd burn that bridge when we came to it. Either a different carb, a home made adapter... something. We'll get it rebuilt first.

And Rockin Randal hit me up earlier today. He's on the volunteer fire department at Lake Arrowhead. They've got an 86 F800 brush truck that got a little too close to a fire. Needs some electrical work. Maybe I can earn a free plate at their next fish fry.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby 93trooperpooper » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:20 am

90* elbow with flange , side mount carb with a blowthru turbo. done, would fit under the closed hood... :lol:

my brother had an older ford (60 's ?) 4x4 stepside, propane powered turbo 6cyl 4 speed-
awesome on fuel, gobs of torque....big dana axles, and large 11.00 x16 Michelin military tires...
I don't know if he still has that truck...
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:46 am

93trooperpooper wrote:90* elbow with flange , side mount carb with a blowthru turbo. done, would fit under the closed hood... :lol:

my brother had an older ford (60 's ?) 4x4 stepside, propane powered turbo 6cyl 4 speed-
awesome on fuel, gobs of torque....big dana axles, and large 11.00 x16 Michelin military tires...
I don't know if he still has that truck...


That old Ford sounds like exactly what I was looking for when I found my M715.
And I would love to have a set of those 11x16 Michelins. They're getting hard to come by.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby 93trooperpooper » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:15 am

when i worked at the tire shop my family owns, years ago we would win the bid to clean up the local military base scrap tire pile- lots of good, new tires, thrown out for no apparent reason- well, one reason is, that if you have stock leftover at the end of the year, toss it out before year end, or else you get less money next year in your budget.

lots of Michelin, goodyear, and Dunlop military spec tires, in all sizes...i can remember selling (and filling) sea cans full of 12.00- 20 bias ply goodyears, to a fellow that sent them to 3rd world countries....

the Michelins (and some goodyears) were 6.50, 7.50, 8.25 , 9.00 and 11.00 x 16's
Dunlop 9.00 x16 BULLETPROOF 20 ply runflat bias....wow those were heavy, and got awesome grip in mud and gravel. howled like a banshee on the highway!

my brother had some 20'' wheels made for his other ford, to run Michelin mil spec 18 r 20....wow that thing was a beast...
only issue is that my brother NEVER finishes anything he starts....
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:45 am

Tuesday I had the engine pulled and tore down and delivered to the machine shop.

Bearings looked pretty bad, some scoring on the crankshaft. Compression rings on 6 were stuck in the grooves, not doing their job.

Apparently someone has been in it before. Cylinders were at .040 and crank was already a 10/10. So we're going .060 over on the bores and .020 under on the journals.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby 93trooperpooper » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:38 am

is there a ''claimer'' piston that could be run in it, to bump the comp up, for a little more oomph out of that 6? it is basically just a flat top piston, compared to a dished oem- when I built a 400 m a few years ago, the flat top slugs were the same price as the dished slugs, so why not?

wow, 60 over- the rings wont hit eachother? ha ha that's most likely the max on that block.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:06 pm

The only pistons offered are dished like OEM. And yeah, .060 is the biggest available. 30, 40 and 60. I think they did offer .030 under on the journals.

I looked like way too much fuel had been dumped down it and washed out the bearings, gummed up the rings. I know my BIL had been jacking with the carb a lot, with zero knowledge or experience, and the mixture settings were all jacked up. But I don't think he'd been jacking with it very long. Also don't know how long it takes to wash the bearings out.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:40 pm

Making progress. Still doing lots of cleaning and painting along the way.

We were discussing making the Monojet work last week. I told him I think I can make it work if I make a plate adapter, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 inch tall. But I'd probably have to do some porting on his brand new intake to make that transition work and get a smooth flow. Probably. But once the grinding starts there's no turning back.
We also talked about the 2100 again. Only problem was finding an automatic choke. Stock Ford choke is 7 volts. Can be done.
He ended up sending me a new Weber carb kit... It's pretty. "Please don't tell my wife how much this thing costs..." I laughed. I know for a fact that any one of her 15 purses cost 3x what that carb did.
A man needs a hobby that's away from the house/wife/kids, if she doesn't let him have a Jeep hobby then he might find one she likes a lot less. She'll get over a carb.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby 93trooperpooper » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:38 pm

looking good so far !
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:38 pm

First test drive yesterday. At first did really well, seemed to top out really quick though. Odd. And kept getting worse as I drove it around the hood.
By the time I topped the hill by my house it didn't have much at all. Then nuthin. Throttle linkage. I coasted down hill into the shop and put the linkage back together on the carb. I didn't tighten down the locking nuts on the fancy linkage for the Weber. Took it back out and ZOOOOM!!
All the way up to 61 MPH. That's it. Pedal on the floor. I'll play with the linkage some more.

I need to post pics, Especially that crazy linkage. The Weber came with linkages on it. It has it's own little bell crank that hooks to the factory bell crank. The ratios were different and when carb was WOT the pedal was at half travel. I thought that would be weird so I drilled a couple of holes in the factory bell crank to move the linkage and change the ratios. Maybe moved it a little too much. I'll try another hole and see what happens.

Don't wanna get too crazy with the test drives because NONE OF THE GAUGES WORK.. and no tach.

Spent a day messing with the oil pressure gauge. It has two senders on the engine, mounted together on a tee. Both are hooked up. The one that looks like a can is definitely hooked up to the gauge. Replaced it, no worky. Verified proper wiring, no worky. Was going to verify power to the gauge but couldn't without pulling the dash. Called a halt to that. The dash is freshly painted and pretty, I'm not touching it.

It was a pretty easy rebuild, but here's some highlights...
I replaced the steel fuel line while I was under it. Someone had bypassed it with a rubber hose zip tied to the frame.

While it was on the lift I noticed he didn't replace the rubber brake lines when he put the 2" lift on. They were stretched and cracking with the axles hanging. So I replaced the rubber lines. Then when I was bleeding the brakes the front bleeder screws were froze up. Took a full day to get one of them out and replaced. Two days soaking on the other... it never let go. Tried pinning it and everything. No go. Lost my chit for a minute and wailed on it with a BFH just to seal the deal and then went and got new calipers.

While painting engine parts... I was getting really sick of parts cleaning. A new waterpump was only $26 so I got one.
Well. After painting the new pump and putting it on the engine I noticed the pulley didn't line up with the others and the bearing felt funny. Pressed together wrong at the factory. I warrantied it out and got another one.
Well. After painting the new new pump and while putting it on the engine... I couldn't get the dang thing on. The casting had twice as much material around the edges and it was hitting the timing cover.
... Have Grinder Will Travel! (gonna get that on a Tshirt) It fits now.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby 93trooperpooper » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:10 pm

I hate those kind of jobs...go in for a little work, winds up being a novel of repairs …. but it does make you feel better at the end of the day, that it left your place, as safe as it could be...
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:42 pm

Pics!
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The Mighty Wife at the wheel!
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And a YT video of the first startup. No flames, explosions or injuries. Just squeeky belts. Pretty boring.
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Re: Brother-in-law's CJ

Postby Von » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:55 pm

The linkage on that Weber is a trip. I took a short video of it in action. In the vid I'm pulling on the stock bell crank that's hanging below the intake manifold.
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Pic of the stock bell crank and the extra mounting points I drilled.
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After the first test drive it topped out at 61mph with the pedal on the floor I moved the linkage to the middle hole and tried it out...
Dayum. made a difference. Sure wish it had a tach.

On the highway I backed off of it at 67mph. It got there a lot faster than I expected too.We had a high cross wind and Don hasn't aligned the front end since he did some work on it... It was scary.

Running around town is such a blast in it... But with less pedal travel to get to WOT it's real easy to wind it up too much. Heard some lifter floating going on a few times, especially when my wife was driving. Really needs a tach...
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