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Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby DutchBro » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:24 am

Hello I'm writing this thread to inform everyone of how easy it is so source the parts for their HD Tie rods! These can be put together for as little as $45-50

Credit goes to geoffinbc for coming up with this information, I am just posting it here


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First off there is 3 main differences in track width of our Isuzu's!

Narrow Track
First gen troopers
91-95.5 Rodeos(95.5 with a 4 bolt upper ball joint)
All first gen Amigos


Medium Track
92-94 Troopers
96-97 Rodeos


Wide Track
95-2002 Troopers

Second gen rodeos and amigos have rack and pinion steering that is not compatible


Okay so now you know your track width, now time to order some parts!

The ends are the same for each track width, they come from a 1997-2003 Ford f-150 4x4. Part numbers are es3369t and es3370t you will need 2 of each.

You will also need to use 1 14mm(9/16ths) washer, and one same size lock washer on each end link taper. 4 washer, and 4 lock washers total. They can be found at any hardware store or online.


Narrow track: The center sleeve is from a 94-97 Dodge intrepid part number Es3201s you need 2
You will also need to cut about 1 and 1/8th of an inch off each end so they will be short enough to fit in the sleeve

Medium Track: You use this center sleeve from the Ford F-150 part number Es3368s
No cutting needed ends should thread in almost all the way. You need 2

Wide Track use the same center sleeve as medium Es3368s. You will have lots of threads sticking out on either end you need 2


There you have it, no need to buy from anyone else or Indy you can simply order from Rock auto, or Amazon



Narrow track sleeve(need 2)
https://www.amazon.com/dpGC/B000C55WOM/ ... fxbP02Y4GC

Medium/Wide Track sleeve (need 2)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C57W40/re ... fxbKGM9YZY


You can check rock auto they are usually cheaper, I also found the short center sleeve for $6 local so check there too. Good luck all
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:10 pm

This is basically the same as my original thread here
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And my writeup here http://members.shaw.ca/howto/hdtre/trehowto.htm
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby BigSwede » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:14 pm

Also worth noting that, for 2nd gen Troopers, other countries got the wide track later than the US. I know this is true for Australia, for example.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby nasty610 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:01 pm

I was actually thinking about doing a post like this based your thread Geoff. The information is all there just scattered across 3 pages. At least he didn't make an ad for the Classified section stating he did all the work.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby DutchBro » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:10 pm

Yes Geoff I got all this information from 800XL who got it from your threads. I was meaning to go back and edit it with credits to you but I forgot your name when I was writing this thread
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby 800XL » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:22 pm

Geoff, I finally figured out why your original "big tie rod adventures" post is so hard to search up. Adventures is misspelled in the subject. :-)
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:30 pm

Oh woops I fixed it and added the word Upgrade as a search term.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby nasty610 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:31 pm

Silly Canadians are as bad as the English with their spelling. ;-)
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:38 pm

But no one cought it for over a year. So your just as guilty lol.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby nasty610 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:46 pm

I'm not going to lie I've looked at that thread quite a few times and never noticed the spelling error. I always wondered why I couldn't find it using the search function.

geoffinbc wrote:But no one cough it for over a year. So your just as guilty lol.


At this time I'd like to point out that it's spelled CAUGHT not COUGH. So we're back to silly Canadians. :lol:
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:17 pm

Crap. Ok now I'm blaming my phone.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby nasty610 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:23 pm

Sure because Canadian phones are preprogrammed to put the wrong word in there. ;-) It's cool auto correct hooks me up all the time. My friends always ask what Duck You is supposed to mean.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:36 am

Our Canadian phones have American English auto correct. Like Color instead of Colour.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby Donner » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:44 pm

This project needs me to build it
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby steve mortillaro » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:47 pm

What did you use to cut the tie rod ends?
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby 800XL » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:09 pm

I used a cut off wheel on a small grinder. Band saw would work well, or even a hack saw if you're patient. If you thread the nut on the TRE before you cut, it helps clean up the threads when you thread it back off.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby itsmehb » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:44 pm

steve mortillaro wrote:What did you use to cut the tie rod ends?


I cut mine with a hacksaw. I expected the steel to be hardened, but it wasn't.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby trey91 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:47 pm

I noticed for the narrow track instructions say to cut 1 & 1/8th off each end but he Geoffinbc DIY says to cut 7/8th for each tie rod end. Which instructions did everyone follow ?
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:43 am

It wont matter if you cut a little extra off. Basically lay them out on the bench and note how much extra you have beyond the center of the sleeve and cut that extra off.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:44 pm

The printable How To article is now here
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby 800XL » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:21 am

Current pricing for http://www.rockauto.com for high quality MOOG parts. $128.38 and shipping was $7.99 more. Amazon totals similar with free prime shipping. Prime choice or similar import brands are still about a third of that.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby catbrown357 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:45 am

geoffinbc wrote:But no one cought it for over a year. So your just as guilty lol.

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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby catbrown357 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:50 am

This upgrade is by far the best one to make to the front end. I just did my 2001 Trooper. The difference in diameters of the old vs. new is amazing. I even had one of the old ones that was bent. Thanks geoffinbc, your original thread is where I found out about this!

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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby geoffinbc » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:25 pm

I am glad everyone is getting use out of the combo I found. I really like that the parts are available and affordable. The fact that you can do a huge strength upgrade for less than stock parts cost is obviously the best part.

I have said it before but I would like to say it again. What makes the hotrodding/4X4 community so great is the open source nature of the hobby. I could have kept all the part numbers a secret and turned around and sold them at a profit and it may have taken a few years for people figure it out. However, I have used countless ideas from other people over the years, the first one I used on my Troooer was the trans/transfer vent mod, so any idea I come up with I share for free as a way of giving back. Hell I even put up a couple hundred dollars a year to keep my website and domain hosted. If you have been to my site you will see I sell a couple products. Yes I do make money, but again there are no secrets. How to make my intake kit is in the how to section and the shackles could be copied by looking at the pictures or just making something up yourself. What you pay for is convenience and my time to make the stuff.

I really appriciate anyone who posts up any information for the benefit of community. When we make an effort to keep things free or very low cost our hobby will advance much faster than if everything was done for profit and kept secret. Just look at communities like Megasquirt EFI ,Linux OS and Arduino they have come so far so fast because ideas change hands millions of times a second. Hotrodding has benefited massively from community boards like this one and I just want it to stay alive for as long as possible.
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Re: Do it yourself HD Tie Rods

Postby nateintacoma » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:51 am

Where did you find reference material for building these? My civic track/autocross/commuter eats moog tie rod ends and I'd love to source something beefier
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