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2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gorjos » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:40 am

Hi to all. Im looking for an 2.8 chevy engine to swap in to my 86 trooper, for my 2.3 its kind of tired now. Here in my country trooper only sells with 4l engines, and the 2.8 chevys only came in fwd cars like centurys, luminas, corsicas, etc. Its quite easy to find an old 2.8 carb for those cars, like a 3.1 fi as well. I want to go with the 2.8 carb, for economy purposes. Here come my questions: what kind of motor mounts use the isuzu 2.8? Are the same of the 2.3/2.6? Can be adapted those mounts? All thlse fwd chevys/buicks have auto trans, which flywheel can i put on it? It is possible to put the 3.2/3.5 isuzu flywheel? Im thinking of swap a 3.5 dmax tranny, i guess its a MUA5...
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby DSUZU » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:21 pm

A Chevy / GM 2.8 is NOT going to bolt up to your 1986 transmission. The rear face / bell housing of the 2.3 - 2.6 is different from the 2.8. SOME 2.6 MUA5 transmissions (hydraulic clutch) have the possibility of changing the front housing and input shaft to mate up to a 2.8, but your transmission is different. Dennis
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Previously owned: 1987 Trooper II LS, 1989 Trooper (parts only), 1994 Trooper 3.2 Auto, 1997 Rodeo 2.6 5 speed, 1993 shortbed pickup 2.3 (project - sold) 1992 Rodeo 4x4 LS (parts car, devoured by Spacecab needs) plus some 70 plus other non Isuzu vehicles over the years. 1994 Amigo devoured to provide head and EFI system.
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gorjos » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:32 pm

DSUZU wrote:A Chevy / GM 2.8 is NOT going to bolt up to your 1986 transmission. The rear face / bell housing of the 2.3 - 2.6 is different from the 2.8. SOME 2.6 MUA5 transmissions (hydraulic clutch) have the possibility of changing the front housing and input shaft to mate up to a 2.8, but your transmission is different. Dennis


Sure, i know that, thays why i wrote that im going to use a 3.5 dmax transmission, i guess its a AR5...
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gorjos » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:39 pm

I have another cheap option. Here are very popular to swap a ford cologne 2.8 engine, with the original 2.3/2.6 transmission. Some people make the adapter plate for the engine, and its a very easy swap. Just make a good and mesures adjust adapter plate, modify one motor mount and the oil pan. What do you think about that engine? It is worth it?
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby DSUZU » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:44 pm

Never heard of it. Not a U.S. car model. It could be under a different name. Ford USED to make a 2.8 V6 (IIRC). I knew a guy who made an adapter plate to put a Ford V6 in his Series II Land Rover. I never got to drive it, but he said it was a great improvement for highway driving. True, some of these engines are able to be easily adapted. You make a pattern of the bell housing outline and cut it out, then you make a hole big enough for the crank hub and match it up (center it) and drill holes to match the rear face of the block.
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1989 LS Spacecab 2.6 5 speed 4x4 manual hubs, Rodeo torsion bars, extended shackles, 2" lift, K&N air filter (drop in), dump bed conversion, burgundy interior change, warn brush bar. Engine is bored .020 oversize and upgraded to 1994 pistons, head and EFI system.
Previously owned: 1987 Trooper II LS, 1989 Trooper (parts only), 1994 Trooper 3.2 Auto, 1997 Rodeo 2.6 5 speed, 1993 shortbed pickup 2.3 (project - sold) 1992 Rodeo 4x4 LS (parts car, devoured by Spacecab needs) plus some 70 plus other non Isuzu vehicles over the years. 1994 Amigo devoured to provide head and EFI system.
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gorjos » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:08 pm

DSUZU wrote:Never heard of it. Not a U.S. car model. It could be under a different name. Ford USED to make a 2.8 V6 (IIRC). I knew a guy who made an adapter plate to put a Ford V6 in his Series II Land Rover. I never got to drive it, but he said it was a great improvement for highway driving. True, some of these engines are able to be easily adapted. You make a pattern of the bell housing outline and cut it out, then you make a hole big enough for the crank hub and match it up (center it) and drill holes to match the rear face of the block.


Well, here in Venezuela Ford sold a few cars with these Ford Cologne 2.8 V6 engine: Ford Sierra, Cougar, Granada, and i guess some years of the Zephir... I know the Ford Sierra was designed by Ford Germany, and basicly its an mercedes with Ford Logo: Bosch mechanic fuel inyection, rwd with independant suspension, and those Cologne engines has a gear time sync, no chain nor belt, like toyota F engines...
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby DSUZU » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:29 pm

Is it a pushrod engine? Might be the same one that was used in Mustang II and even Pintos (back in the day). Most of the vehicles you mentioned were names the U.S. market had as well, but the U.S. market had an inline 6 cylinder or small V-8. They would have been late 70s / early 80s.
Never was really all that much into Fords. I knew they had a 351 Cleveland, and a 351 Windsor, but beyond that not familiar with engine series names. Chevy had Turbo Fire (small block V8 and inline 6, Turbo Jet Big block V8s and the old Turbo Thrust, which was the early big block engines (1958-1965) Other GM had other names for engine series'. To the best of my knowledge, the 2.8, 3.1, and later 3.4 were simply known as "60 degree V6".
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1989 LS Spacecab 2.6 5 speed 4x4 manual hubs, Rodeo torsion bars, extended shackles, 2" lift, K&N air filter (drop in), dump bed conversion, burgundy interior change, warn brush bar. Engine is bored .020 oversize and upgraded to 1994 pistons, head and EFI system.
Previously owned: 1987 Trooper II LS, 1989 Trooper (parts only), 1994 Trooper 3.2 Auto, 1997 Rodeo 2.6 5 speed, 1993 shortbed pickup 2.3 (project - sold) 1992 Rodeo 4x4 LS (parts car, devoured by Spacecab needs) plus some 70 plus other non Isuzu vehicles over the years. 1994 Amigo devoured to provide head and EFI system.
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gorjos » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:40 pm

DSUZU wrote:Is it a pushrod engine? Might be the same one that was used in Mustang II and even Pintos (back in the day). Most of the vehicles you mentioned were names the U.S. market had as well, but the U.S. market had an inline 6 cylinder or small V-8. They would have been late 70s / early 80s.
Never was really all that much into Fords. I knew they had a 351 Cleveland, and a 351 Windsor, but beyond that not familiar with engine series names. Chevy had Turbo Fire (small block V8 and inline 6, Turbo Jet Big block V8s and the old Turbo Thrust, which was the early big block engines (1958-1965) Other GM had other names for engine series'. To the best of my knowledge, the 2.8, 3.1, and later 3.4 were simply known as "60 degree V6".


Yeah, pushrod engines. There are a family of these engines, not only the 2.8 but that one was the only one sold here. Was named Cologne because was produced in Cologne, Germany.

Here left some info:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engine
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gorjos » Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:28 pm

DSUZU wrote:Is it a pushrod engine? Might be the same one that was used in Mustang II and even Pintos (back in the day). Most of the vehicles you mentioned were names the U.S. market had as well, but the U.S. market had an inline 6 cylinder or small V-8. They would have been late 70s / early 80s.
Never was really all that much into Fords. I knew they had a 351 Cleveland, and a 351 Windsor, but beyond that not familiar with engine series names. Chevy had Turbo Fire (small block V8 and inline 6, Turbo Jet Big block V8s and the old Turbo Thrust, which was the early big block engines (1958-1965) Other GM had other names for engine series'. To the best of my knowledge, the 2.8, 3.1, and later 3.4 were simply known as "60 degree V6".


Well, actually it's the same engine of the mustangs II, and it came in the ford ranger 2.8 and in the Broncos II.
What do you think of this engine? Here in Venezuela is a common swap for the 1st gen troppers, but i don't know anyone who did it.
I refloat the post because yesterday i replace the head gasket and valves seals cause the 4th cilinder it's burning oil. And i realized that the oil it's not only due to the valves seals, its due to piston rings wear. I have to repair the engine, and i'm seriously thinking on swap in an other one stronger, but i want a easy swap, with minor mods needed and keeping the tranny.
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gwana66 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:11 pm

Yes Dennis, it's the Mustang II engine. It's a 50 year old design. I had an '84 Ranger with the 2.8 and a 4 speed manual. Total dog. I didn't learn my lesson, bought a 2000 with the 3.0 Vulcan.
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gorjos » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:00 pm

gwana66 wrote:Yes Dennis, it's the Mustang II engine. It's a 50 year old design. I had an '84 Ranger with the 2.8 and a 4 speed manual. Total dog. I didn't learn my lesson, bought a 2000 with the 3.0 Vulcan.


But, it´s a bad engine? Would you recommend for the 1st gen trooper?
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby DSUZU » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:23 pm

The issue will be making (note: MAKING) an adapter. While the GM 60 degree V-6s were used in first gen Rodeos and Troopers, one of those could be used with the correct tranny or bell housing (essentially front part of the tranny). NOBODY makes an adapter to fit anything to the 4 cylinder transmissions.
Years back when I was into British Land Rovers, one of my buddies made his own adapter and mated up a Ford 2.8 to his Rover tranny. It gave him a lot more power that the 2.25 Litre and pretty good service. Was essentially a plate that bolted to the back of the V-6 the then the front half of the Rover 2 piece bell housing. Dennis
P.S. "50 year old design". I believe it was 1966 when Pontiac came out with the "OHC 6" with the timing belt Dennis
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Previously owned: 1987 Trooper II LS, 1989 Trooper (parts only), 1994 Trooper 3.2 Auto, 1997 Rodeo 2.6 5 speed, 1993 shortbed pickup 2.3 (project - sold) 1992 Rodeo 4x4 LS (parts car, devoured by Spacecab needs) plus some 70 plus other non Isuzu vehicles over the years. 1994 Amigo devoured to provide head and EFI system.
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Re: 2.8 engine swap questions

Postby gwana66 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:35 pm

gorjos wrote:
gwana66 wrote:Yes Dennis, it's the Mustang II engine. It's a 50 year old design. I had an '84 Ranger with the 2.8 and a 4 speed manual. Total dog. I didn't learn my lesson, bought a 2000 with the 3.0 Vulcan.


But, it´s a bad engine? Would you recommend for the 1st gen trooper?


I have no idea what you'd be getting. A used engine from the 80's? A completely rebuilt engine? It will have 115HP and 150 Ft. Lbs. of torque at best. That's a lot of work for 5 horsepower and 25 ft. lbs. It was pathetic and noisy in a Ranger, but it's probably better than a tired 2.3 if it's not in need of work. You still have to fabricate an adapter, figure out the clutch, flywheel and starter, and mounts, exhaust, etc. There is no 'easy' swap into these vehicles, except an Isuzu 2.6 in place of the 2.3. Even the GM 2.8 is only rated for 120 HP, but it's not too difficult to get a 3.1 with a carb and some mods to 200.

A different transmission will probably need a different crossmember. Many engines have a problem clearing the front differential on a 4wd, so the oil pan is a consideration. If you have people there who make accessories for that particular swap, they would be more likely to be able to answer.
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