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This post is in partnership with Worldcrunch, a new global - news site that translates stories of note in foreign languages into English. The article below was originally published in Economic Observer.
When Liu Li boarded a plane for the United States, she had a little bit of makeup on, was wearing a loose dress, and had her hair up. She tried to hold her handbag in front of her belly in a natural way, just as the middleman had taught her. She was trying to look as calm as any wealthy Chinese lady would look when travelling abroad. But Liu Li couldn't help feeling terribly nervous: she was six months pregnant when she left for the United States, where she wanted to give birth to an American citizen. (See: "On the Cutting Edge [EM] China's Extraordinary Buildings")
Liu Li knew that going through customs would be a lot easier than obtaining a U.S. visa. In order to obtain the tourist visa that enabled her to go to America for the delivery, she had to carefully choose her clothes, and spend a lot of time practicing her walking and interview techniques. She memorized a host of details about her hotel booking and about famous sight-seeing spots so as to convince the Embassy officer that she was just another Chinese woman going shopping in the States.
The temptation of a 'born in the USA' child
Giving birth to a child abroad is not a privilege reserved to the stars and the very wealthy. An increasing number of expectant middle-class parents also fancy giving their children passports that they can feel proud of. "The return on investment is higher than robbing a bank," the consultancy agent tells women such as Liu. When Chinese children are born in America, they automatically become U.S. citizens. Once they reach 21, their parents will be able to apply for green cards and emigrate.
Those who would prefer a closer destination can go to Hong Kong, whose passport gives access to more than 120 countries without the need of a visa. Advantages include the fact that children will receive bilingual education (which will give them a foothold in the international world), and the fact that they will also enjoy the preferential policies for going to Chinese universities.
After consulting quite a few agencies for expectant mothers, Liu Li chose a reputable one. Airplane tickets, fees for labor, pre- and post-delivery care cost her roughly 20,000. Since most airlines refuse to accept women passengers who are more than 32 weeks pregnant, Liu Li set off for America when she was six months pregnant and then checked into a Chinese birthing center in California.
After her arrival, Liu Li realized that the area was full of facilities set up for Chinese women like herself. On the limited occasions when Liu Li goes to the Punete Hill Mall near her birthing center - the facility limits walks outside its premises to three per week, each time for about three hours - Liu Li bumps into lots of pregnant Chinese women. Birthing centers such as Liu Li's, which are mostly situated in America's beautiful west coastal areas, operate without a business license, and try to be as discreet as possible. In April, a number of illegally converted maternity centers in Los Angeles were discovered and shut down, which makes Liu Li very nervous. (See: "China Stamps Out Democracy Protests")
Incompatible nationalities
Going to the United States to give birth and taking a foreign born child back to China usually proves relatively easy. The difficult part starts only later, as Song Jingwen is starting to understand. Because her son has a U.S. passport, the law does not allow him to be registered in his mother's local area, which means that he will not be automatically admitted to Chinese schools. Song will have to register him as a foreigner, and pay an extra fee. His access to education and health care also faces a lot of constraints.
"Some parents obtain fake birth certificates for their children, or cheat the Chinese Embassy to get them Chinese passports. But then they can't get visas or go abroad," Song explains. She is still hesitating on what to do next. If Song gets her son a fake hukou (the Chinese registration system), which would make it easier for him to go to a local school, she fears that all the efforts she has made up to now could be in vain.
A few years ago, Zhao Yong easily obtained a Shanghai hukou for his American born child. "Every time we want to go to the States, we have to get the Hongkong-Macao permit to go though Chinese customs, go to Hong Kong, then fly to the United States and enter the country with the American passport," Zhao Yong says. "The trip is a little bit complicated, but if we fly directly from Shanghai to the States, we won't be able to hide the truth."
Under Chinese law, double nationality is prohibited. According to the American Embassy, once a child has obtained a Chinese hukou, he is considered to have given up his American nationality. The United States is not the only country with strict regulations. A child born in Hong Kong doesn't get the Hong Kong resident identity card right away, but has to go back to Hong Kong regularly - every year or two until he is 18 - in order to register as a "returned resident," and keep his nationality.
The so-called 'citizen's welfare'
According to the 14th Amendment to the U.S. constitution (ratified in 1868), anyone born in United States automatically becomes an American citizen and obtains access to public education, university loans, voting, and so on... Even so, if one does not work in America or pay taxes after the age of 15, one can only enjoy very limited access to U.S. welfare benefits. "The system doesn't totally exclude people who don't pay taxes here, but those who do not pay as much tax as Americans do cannot expect the same benefits. But each state has different regulations," says Mr. Yang, a Chinese born man who works in New Jersey and has a green card.
"Giving birth to a child in the States is a wonderful dream, but a very costly one too," Song Jingwen concludes. "People who choose to go down this path must know that they will not be paying only for birthing and post birthing care, but they will also be paying a lot more for the whole life."
(All names used in this article are pseudonyms)
 

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Summarize that for me, I can't sit still long enough to read all that. :lol:
 

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88BamaTrooper said:
Come to usa,have babies...get foot into door
:wink: thats about it :lol:
 

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I have some Japanese friends that do exactly the same thing. :roll:
 

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Can't blame them really.

I'll share a first hand experience that kinda relates.

We hosted an exchange student from the mainland, it didn't work out and she ended up going back home. She was very smart when it came to math and science, but had never really been taught much of anything else. She described her school day as a long day of structured course work and nights full of doing homework. They go to school 7 days a week there and are pressured into performing very well. Several of her friends had committed suicide under the stress.

It ended up that she had to go back home because my wife recognized that she was bulimic. She immediately went to the bathroom following meals but the puke in her trash can was a tell tell sign. The Mrs. contacted the exchange company about her concerns because we were responsible for her as host parents. A doctor visit confirmed that she was severely underweight and malnourished. It ruined our Christmas because she was nearly catatonic when she realized she had to go back home. We ended up staying home instead of visiting family and took turns basically on suicide watch.

Long story short, the girl had been filled full of stereotypes and bias. She was very proud of her heritage and was almost pampas about it. We were nothing but stupid fat Americans to her. Generous ones but stupid and fat none the less. I'm a little hurt and mad about the entire experience.

Oddly enough, the whole reason she was in the exchange program was to get an American high school diploma so she could go back to China and get into a good university. A Facebook update revealed that she is currently back in Seattle and pursuing her high school equivalency there. She finally realized that I was in her friend network and unfriended me. :roll: I wish her well and hope she does finally realize that we were trying to help.

Another former exchange kid at my wife's school was a success. She was from Vietnam and did achieve her diploma. She was from a small village and was very naive but passed all her criteria. She is now in Chicago pursuing a bachelors degree. I'll also add that she is now an absolutely beautiful young lady too! :shock:

Anyway, back on topic.

I hate carrying the burden of people doing this but at the same time, have no problem with it because my ancestors were allowed the same opportunity. Without it, I may not be living here right now. It is a good example of how good we really have it. Interesting fact, on my last social security statement, I learned that I have worked long enough to qualify for full benefits upon retirement. (I'm 36) So, basically, I could free load on society the rest of my life and still get full benefits! Instead, I'll be working and continuing to pay in till I'm 65 or whatever retirement age will be then..... :roll: I am also putting into my 401 K just in case that money I put in is not there!

My common sense solution, make it more difficult to qualify for full benefits, plain and simple. The free world continues to change, you can either embrace it, bitch about it or do something to change it. That's what makes it so appealing!
 

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I guess I can't blame them for wanting their children to grow up here and not in Communism. :roll:
 
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