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I came across this article, bit somehow, it sounds too good to be true?
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"Subject: Frequently Asked Questions
Author: Louis LaPointe
Date: April 20, 2005

Questions asked by the common man:

"There is no question things will change. The real question is
will the change be for the better or for the worse?"

Where do I find 100% pure acetone? From a hardware store such
as Ace, Menards, K-Mart or Wal-Mart. We buy a gallon can of 100% pure
acetone for about nine bucks. We go to the paint section in these
stores. The Torco EAL 12-oz. bottle is a good container for acetone.
These bottles are excellent containers. Save them. Reagent grade
acetone (highest purity) is found at student science centers near
universities. It may be found at VWRlabshop.com for such purposes as
professional dyno testing or scientific experimentation.

How much acetone do I put into my fuel? For gasoline we use
about three oz. per ten US gallons. Sometimes we use four oz. per ten
gal. For diesel we use about two oz. per ten US gallons. That is equal
to about 2.5 ml per liter for gasoline and about 1.5 ml per liter for
diesel. Any tiny amount is better than none. No engine can deliver
good MPG without some acetone.

What kind of mileage increase will acetone give my car?
Normally from 15% to 35% depending on your driving habits and how many
of our mileage suggestions you have taken. But we have seen 65% and
even higher in Neons. We know an aeronautical engineer in San Jose
whose test car went from a baseline of 19.3 MPG to 27. He certified
this with his ScanGauge. That is a genuine boost of 27%. Note on a
downhill cruise with the gas pedal up, the ScanGauge says the instant
reading goes OVER 100 MPG. So it pays to back off on the gas when
cruising down hills. We know a Neon owner whose MPG average went from
23 to 44.5 MPG. Normal is over 40 MPG in his 2004 Neon, according to
his ScanGauge.

What can the car companies do to increase mileage? A lot. But
they won't because improved MPG results in less engine wear and better
engine life. The LaPointe Rule says that ALL the industries that make
cars and fuels could easily improve MPG. Certainly the fuel companies
could do so in a matter of days. The spark plug guys, the injector
companies and of course the lubricants people could all contribute to
high MPG if they wanted to.

When did you first start using acetone? Starting in 1953 with
my 1948 Hudson. I used acetone as a test ingredient, driving up and
down the coast of California. Later I used acetone in a 1939 Chevy
going from California to Alabama in 1954. Been at it ever since. I
love the absolute smoothness it gives my cars and trucks. Everyone
does. Never leave town without it.

What speed gives my car the best mileage? The one that
produces the least waste. This is easy to find with a vacuum gauge you
place on your dash. Drive your car at whatever speed gives the highest
vacuum reading at cruise. A high manifold vacuum helps to tear apart
fuel molecules to vaporize them with air to start an efficient
combustion process in the chamber. Learn to back off on your gas pedal
briefly as you drive.

Is gasoline or diesel fuel dangerous to handle? Certainly.
Common gas has things like petroleum ether and other very toxic
ingredients. Any fuel ignites easily and should never be taken into
your house. Use metal cans to contain gasoline as it can melt many
kinds of plastic.

Why are E20 and E85 gasolines being promoted? It is a RIP
because of federal money being thrown at the flawed concept of using
ethanol to replace gasoline. The concept is dead wrong because ANY use
of alcohol in fuel DECREASES mileage severely. Ethanol actually costs
more energy to produce than the energy it releases in an engine. The
existing global heating will render ALL U.S. crops in the near future
to be inefficient due to unpredictable weather changes. For instance
meteorologist Paul Douglas (who has studied this problem in depth)
predicts corn in the future will only grow in Canada rather than in
the lower 48. Very impractical idea to push ethanol. Ethanol is only
good for making money for select groups. We need the voters to decide
if ethanol should be added to gasoline. Politicians know nothing about
the subject. Let's take it out of the hands of the politicians.
Besides, it seems clear that it is unconstitutional to force all of us
to buy ethanol laden gasoline when the stuff hurts mileage as much as
it does. We should challenge the constitutionality of laws that favor
ethanol.

Can gasoline engines ever reach the efficiency of diesel engines?
Almost. It is indeed possible. Good economy items can be done to
both. A gas engine can be made to reach 30% easily and a diesel can be
persuaded to reach 40%. The trick to increase Thermal Efficiency is in
stopping the wasted fuel and by reducing friction to nearly zero. Plus
doing other things.

Why use NGK spark plugs for mileage? This is due to the good
(lower) resistance found in NGK V-power plugs. Other plugs can have
30,000 to 90,000 ohms of resistance. That is horrible. You cannot
measure resistance in used plugs. Check new plugs for resistance
values no more than 9000 ohms. Spark plug cables contribute about 5000
to 9000 ohms. The heat to fire the mixture comes from the milliamps in
the spark. High resistance hurts the amperage. Get the low cost NGK
V-power plugs like we do. And change plug cables if older than ten
years.

What is your opinion on Global Warming? I prefer to say
Climate Change. This is extremely real and a great danger to humanity
due to heat from human technology. At least this appears to be evident
in virtually all the scientific publications that I receive. Science,
Physics Today, Scientific American, The American Scientist, New
Scientist, Nature and National Geographic. Plus other sources. They
are in agreement that the fragile climate of Earth is in rapid change.
The evidence is overwhelming that industry, homes and vehicles are to
blame. The government is ignoring the climate problems because the
politicians are not scientific nor engineers. The sight of an equation
makes them ill. They are lawyers. They like to argue. They are trying
to talk away the problems rather than face them. So we actually have
two huge problems. Rapid Climate Change and incompetent politicians.
We CAN reduce or minimize the Climate Change taking place. The
glaciers are nearly all gone. That is a fact. We could get double the
mileage we presently get. That would be a huge benefit to slow the
Climate Change.

Is it true that thin oil is needed to get into tight places?
No. This is pure myth because tight places means heavily loaded
surfaces where a thicker lube with the right additives is necessary to
handle the load. Bench testing lubes quickly points out facts
regarding viscosity and high pressure areas. One clearly never tested
oils to make such a statement.

What is the ideal fuel for vehicles? It is NOT hydrogen or
ethanol. It is good old propane. Reasons include the lack of range and
explosivity of hydrogen. A lack of range is common for ethanol too,
along with poor mileage and damage to fuel systems. Ethanol has a much
lower BTU content than gasoline. Propane is problem free and delivers
excellent vaporization. Outboard motors will not run right with
alcohol in the gasoline. Boats can stall way out there on some large
lake. Ethanol should be removed from gasoline so we can all get decent
mileage.

Is acetone harmful to my valves? No. What is harmful is late
timing or lean mixtures and unburned fuel. But these first two
conditions generally disappeared when they put in computers to manage
your engine settings. The harm of acetone is one of the myths being
passed around to naive listeners by Big Oil. No valve has ever been
hurt simply by using a tiny bit of acetone in gasoline or diesel fuel.
Acetone is good for engines.

Have any car companies accepted the use of acetone in the gas?
Maybe Toyota because I am told the Prius gets 62-63 MPG with acetone
used per my website hints. They seem proud of that fact. I was further
told they do NOT approve of alcohol in the gasoline. Neither do boat
mechanics whose clients constantly complain about the problem with
alcohol. Many car companies seem hell-bent against good mileage.
Owners of Neons claim the best increase in MPG that I have read in my
Email BUT after 2005, the economical Neon is being discontinued
because it gets too much MPG.

How can I spot the fake mileage products? Watch for certain
key words in their spiel. Claims with this language are likely to be a
scam: catalyst, chain reaction, magnets, magnetic, negative or
positive ions, instantaneous, more power or HP, air bleed, air swirl,
explosion, heavy on testimonials, lack of scientific verification,
lack of EPA testing, badly composed English, claims of fighting
friction and/or wild claims that are vague and/or sound confused. Does
it seem too good to be true? What does it cost? It it cost effective?
Does it look like a copycat? Has it been nailed by the FTC?

What do you think of states turning to more ethanol instead of
less? To say it is politics as usual is too nice. Politicians are
basically lawyers and self-serving. They want reelection and Big
Farmers in corn producing states like Minnesota are more than willing
allies. They are selling out the rest of us into high inflation with
predictably bad MPG. This is no big secret. States apparently want bad
mileage so they can collect more revenues from the gas tax. Or they
would have improved MPG a long time ago. The states destroyed MPG when
they promoted faulty testing for emissions. The present regulations
were apparently designed to ruin mileage by proposing the use of
ethanol. It's a crazy situation, folks. Cutting emissions is easy. You
cut emissions in half if you double MPG. Simple. Less fuel burned
means less pollution. States get more tax money from bad mileage
vehicles. Remember that ethanol laws are unconstitutional.

What is LUBRICITY that you mention to describe oil performance?
Lubricity is the opposite of friction in a lube tester. When one is
high, the other is low. In the Lubrication Parameter Curve, the area
for friction goes up while the area for lubricity sits between the
curve.and the X-axis. Good lubricity determines good mileage in a
vehicle. The word lubricity was seldom heard or seen in this country
until this year when it has suddenly cropped up in many places. I
suspect this website has popularized the word.

What do the viscosity numbers on a bottle of oil mean? These
are the grades when cold at 0 degrees F. and when hot at 210 degrees
F. A grade means a specific range of viscosities. The actual physical
viscosity is measured in SUS or centipoise units. The multigrade 40 or
50 on the right side ONLY comes into play when the oil temperature
reaches 210 degrees. IOW the oil has to be at 210 F. before the oil
gains a grade of 50. The actual viscosity is on a different scale such
as measured in centistokes or SUS.

What brand of oil do you use for mileage and why not some other
brand? Torco is my choice because of the reliable test results
from testing lubricants for lubricity over the years. Other commercial
brands spend on advertisements instead of costly quality ingredients.
Torco oils are called enhanced lubricants in the industry. They are
not commercial oils because Torco only does QUALITY. They are not
intended for a mass market such as the shelves in K-Mart. We have
verified average MPG gains 15 to 30% with Torco oils. Mainly this is
the result of the Torco MPZ plating the inside of engines and not
going away. There are certainly other brands that we have used with
some success. The Texaco/Havoline brand in general. URSA Texaco
Premium TDX 15W-40 for cars and diesels. Delvac Mobil 1300 Super
15W-40 for cars. Havoline Formula A Synthetic 5W-40. Valvoline HPO
40-weight.in cars.

What combination of oils should I use in my car for good mileage?
Start with four quarts 20W-50 T-4M motorcycle Torco or Torco super
diesel 15W-40. One quart of Torco synthetic 20W-50 T-4R is enough. I
add one bottle of Torco EAL (Engine Assembly Lube) for long-long
engine life followed by one bottle of Torco Magnetic Friction Reducer
for even longer engine life. Always request MPZ so the guts of the
engine will receive the plating.

Why do you suggest using straight 40-weight oil for mileage?
Because with straight 40 we have found our best mileage during
testing. Most good oils contain some amount of BRIGHT STOCK rather
than polymers which do not lubricate well. Bright stock has excellent
load carrying ability, stability, lubricity and long life. It costs
more than polymers but protects components (such as cams) very well
and gives better MPG in normal weather. For colder climates, we
suggest the Torco 15W-40 MPZ petroleum base truck oil for cars and
trucks.

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What brand of oil filter can improve mileage? Only a really
good filter can turn black dirty oil to a light brown. Stay the heck
away from gimmick toilette oil filters. We suggest Baldwin filters for
great reasons. The HPG line can catch 5-micron particles 20% of the
time and 8-micron particles 50% of the time and they cost about six
bucks at any Peterbilt Truck outfit. Clean oil is more slippery.
Cleaner oil means better MPG. You can see the MPG drop slightly as you
put more and more miles on it. I replace my oil filters about every
2000 miles but leave the oil alone until it gets to 7000 or 8000
miles.

What synthetic oils do you recommend, based on your testing? A
tough question. Only two. One is T-4R 20W-50 Torco synthetic. Another
is Texaco/Havoline 5W-40 synthetic that I use in hard winter climates
and add to a full pan of Torco engine oil. Synthetics do not generally
stick well to metal so we employ only ONE quart of good synthetic in
engines added to the base petroleum base oil. True synthetics tolerate
extreme temperatures of hot and cold very well. They do not freeze in
cold weather. Not even the 20W-50 true synthetics. In recent years the
definition of the label SYNTHETIC has been downgraded by a Castrol
court action in order to use lesser quality Class 3 ingredients. A
good synthetic brand, such as Torco employs, has genuine Class 4 and
Class 5 synthetic ingredients. Nearly all so-called synthetic oils
today are not really synthetic anymore because the Class 3 is more
like a cheaper petroleum based product. Class 3 is now allowed to have
hydrogenated petroleum oils and still be labeled synthetic. However
the price remained the same. The Class 4 and 5 synthetic ingredients
are expensive and will carry loads well. It's one more way the oil
moguls are sticking it to the public. The Class 3 is just plain
commercial stuff for the mass market. People should realize the
enhanced lubricants from Torco have no cheap ingredients. That is a
fact. By the way, Torco does not claim their products improve mileage.
We do.

Can acetone reduce the wax crystals that form in gasoline in cold
weather? Yes. Those strings form when cold. They need to be
dissolved better in the fuel with acetone. Ice crystals can also form
and damage parts but acetone greatly helps with that problem too.
Acetone also helps with varnish, shellac and gums that form in diesels
from cheap biodiesel fuels that are becoming popular. And of course
acetone helps with ethanol problems.

Why does my car stall when I gas up with alcohol in the gasoline?
Very common problem nowadays, mechanics tell us. Alcohol always
contains water drawn from the air. That water cannot pass freely
through the fuel system and may cause a fuel jam. A little acetone in
the fuel is a big help.

Why is my manual gearbox so hard to shift with ATF? ATF is
recommended BUT it is not the best oil for stick-shift boxes. Get a
good synthetic 75W-140 gear lube and try that. Torco SGO is the very
best. You find the stiffness will disappear--as will the bronze
deposits in the oil. You may have to drain the tranny oil twice to get
out all the metal particles.

Can acetone improve starting in very cold climates?
Absolutely. You notice easier starts and better throttle response. The
MPG in cold weather is notoriously bad but acetone helps so that
highway speeds become steady with just a slight touch on the gas
pedal.

Will acetone harm my pistons or other engine parts? Absolutely
not. Gasoline never gets to the pistons with acetone in the right
amount because nearly all the fuel evaporates and burns like it is
supposed to. Without acetone, fuel will certainly wash the rings and
pistons. You see clean tail pipes with acetone. Sooty black tail pipes
are the norm without it.

Would acetone melt plastic or neoprene parts like in fuel pumps or
fuel hoses? That comes from the oil companies, I believe. There
are false rumors we have contradicted over and over. We have dozens of
such parts soaking outside for months in various solutions of gasoline
with up to 10% acetone which is several hundred times too much. No
damage so far.

What does acetone do for emissions? This is a real success
story. Unburned hydrocarbons drop dramatically with acetone. This is
true for both gasoline and diesel, ending soot problems. Contrary to
what you hear, ethanol (without acetone) INCREASES pollution. Black
smoke truly disappears when acetone is used in diesels.

What cars and for how long did you drive them with acetone in the
fuel? Listing only the very longest lived: 1956 Chevy/Chrysler for
130,000 miles, 1964 Ford Econoline van for 567,000 miles, 1982
Plymouth Champ for 190,000, 1990 Caravan for 180,000 and a 1995 Neon
has gone 140,000 and is still going strong. All delivered excellent
mileage and dependability on acetone.

Why have we not heard of common mileage additives before now?
They have been suppressed by every means possible. Acetone alone could
cost the oil industry billions. But with acetone, those billions could
remain in YOUR pockets and purses. You are going to hear a lot more
about acetone in the near furure.

Have you tried MEK in your testing of fuel additives? Yes. I
prefer to use straight acetone or !00% pure acetone. Sometimes we add
Torco EAL or GP-7 or some MEK added but never just straight MEK. ALL
my additive mixes contain acetone as the base during experiments.

Can acetone be used to improve fuel octane in supercharged
vehicles? Theoretically yes. Acetone in larger amounts than we use
currently would be needed, but we stay away from excessive amounts in
a passenger car. However every supercharged system is different.
Gasoline or diesel? Street or racing? Too many variables for a short
answer. Straight acetone is 150-octane. But I would never use it that
way. In general I do not answer questions about racing. My interest is
strictly in mileage and long engine life.

Can you explain how your Fogerator works? An explanation is
given in SmartGas.net. However many changes have occurred recently
and more testing is being conducted. When the tests are concluded you
will all be notified in SmartGas.net. We have to finish our own
evaluation tests before the patent process can be finished. Then we
have to pay the EPA for their evaluation and right now we cannot
afford that fee.

When will FOG devices be available for sale? I guess when the
testing is complete. I wish it were otherwise. Such is life when we
have little money. We are a non-profit public service. We need to
finish our small dyno facility. Then we must satisfy the EPA and pay
$27,000 for their testing of the Fog device.

What other additives can be used with acetone? The Techron
Texaco/Chevron concentrate product is a good additive for mileage in
small amounts and only when mixed with acetone. Xylene or toluene can
be used with acetone but only in small amounts of about one ounce
mixed with 15 oz. of acetone. Remember these are toxic agents. Take
care. We further add one oz. of Torco EAL per 15 oz. of acetone. Then
cap and shake the bottle really well. Sometimes we add one oz. of
Torco GP-7 synthetic 2-cycle additive. Then fill the balance of the
bottle with acetone. Cap and shake well. We often use empty white
Torco EAL 12-oz. bottles as acetone containers. Ordinary clear plastic
bottles do not work. They melt. I also use old isopropyl alcohol
bottles to hold acetone. An acetone mix solution with a small amount
of EAL or GP-7 WILL improve lubrication to pistons, walls, rings,
valves, fuel pumps and spray nozzles both in diesel and gasoline
engines. With acetone, there is no loss of BTU. Other additives, such
as ethanol, lower the BTU content of the fuel. Adding ethanol causes a
substantial loss of precious BTU. Ring seal is terribly important and
is vastly improved ONLY with Torco EAL or GP-7 additives. For example
I have never found any other oil that actually stops blowby and the
clouds of oil smoke in old engines. And try to get a ScanGauge so you
can be certain about what works and to what extent.

Do YOU have a question for SmartGas.net?"
 

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Yo.. how about a link next time.

I have been using Acetone for a bit now. About 4oz per tank.
It is hard to meter as every 4oz container I have melts when I
put acetone in it. I would go on for two weeks, about 4 tanks, then
go off. After I finish my gallon I am going to stop.

Anyway I have notice nothing in performance or MPG.

As for the water mixing in with the 10% Ethanol in gas and acetone
helping, I have no idea.

There surface tension example make sence though.
 

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Sorry for that, -forgot the link, just cut and paste....
I'll keep that in mind, next time!
Now, I must admit, I find this a little too god to be true, so to speak, Acetone is highly flamable, and explosive, and I don't know enough chemistry to be able to determine what something like this might signify.
However, I have heard about "snake oil" in any number of contexts...
Or maybe it is -simply put- like my father said; "If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is....!"
My father was a wise man...
 

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Several years ago I tried a few tanks with acetone.

This was with a small block Chevy.

Did'nt hurt anything, but I did'nt notice any improvements in mpg or performance.

That was my experiance anyway.

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Please be careful with the term "SNAKE OIL"

Research has proved without a doubt that SNAKE OIL
does work.
 

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Why does my car stall when I gas up with alcohol in the gasoline?
Very common problem nowadays, mechanics tell us. Alcohol always
contains water drawn from the air. That water cannot pass freely
through the fuel system and may cause a fuel jam. A little acetone in
the fuel is a big help.
Say what?

"Fuel Jam?" The fact that they used that term is enough evidence to dismiss the whole article. Water passes very well through fuel systems, it just doesn't burn very well.

I'll stick with my Snake Oil instead of whatever these people are trying to sell. Oh and keep ATF in the transmission and not gear-lube.

-Tad
 

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interesting...

his points about alcohol absorbing water are certainly true, but as for ethenol from the pump...I don't know. I worked on a womans oldsmobile aurora once who had just filled up her gastank then had her car die not but a few blocks later. after some troubleshooting we discovered water in her fresh new gasolene-about 8 gallons of it. I suspect the amount of water in the fuel has more to do with the station and storage tank you get it from and their maintenance habits rather than ethanols tendancy to absorb water. but I've been wrong before...

As far as acetone in fuel, it sounds interesting but I doubt it can do all he claims. I know there are various alternative fuels available-formula cars have used tolune in high-boost applications with sucess, and my r/c trucks burn a mix thats mostly pure alcohol and make horsepower numbers that are downright incredible for their size. propane is a great fuel for internal combustion but refueling makes it impractical for widespread use. hydrogen is interesting and may be the "wave of the future" but there are still a whole slew of problems associated with it. but it rouses my imagination.

my personal opinion is that a small displacement turbocharged engine in a lightweight car would provide the best mileage possible right now. I smile when I read about hayabusa 1.3L motorcycles making 500hp under boost.

my personal favorite is always the rant about "manufacturers could do better if they wanted". sure they could. they could remove 4000lbs of junk that the american public thinks of as "features" and your gas mileage would go through the roof. air conditioning, digital climate control, power windows and locks, heated leather seats, sound deadening, on and on. whats the lightest american car on the market? what was it 20 years ago? if you apply all the modern electronics to the 20 year old engine your suddenly doing better than a new car. ever drive a festiva?
just look at the Lotus Elise. a fine example of less weight = better.

anyone whos worked on any modern engines knows that the technology is increasing volumetric efficiencies and engines today make more power with less discplacement than ever before. the Ford "Modular" (4.6L and 5.4L) is a fine example. but for the best examples of high V.E. you have to go to Japenese sportbikes. the highest I've heard of was a Honda sportbike working at ~130% VE at speed. thats putting 1.3L of air and fuel into a 1.0L engine and thats where power and gas mileage are going to come from. furthermore, motorcycles use ball bearing crankshafts and Yamaha is now using 5 valve DOHC heads. American car builders are still using pushrods and 2 valve heads on many models. how long has honda been using DOHC in cars? 20 years now? do they even offer any pushrod engines? so the American carbuilders are still playing catch-up while the Japenese forge ahead. watch for any major advances to come from overseas, but dont expect a miracle fix.

I'd continue ranting, but I've got to go to work-fixing Japenese performance cars.

thanks for listening,
Adam Lewis
 
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